#3244046 - 30/06/2009 20:34
Re: NBA - wiadomości, transfery, komentarze itp. /2/
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artykul z portalu wybiorczej o kontuzji Yao:
http://www.sport.pl/koszykowka/1,65086,6772764,Kontuzja_zagrozila_karierze_Yao_Minga__Chinczycy_nie.html
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#3244489 - 30/06/2009 22:15
Re: NBA - wiadomości, transfery, komentarze itp. /2/
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#3245184 - 01/07/2009 04:57
Re: NBA - wiadomości, transfery, komentarze itp. /2/
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To ja zadam pytanie. Czy wg Was Gortat jest gotowy na pierwszą piątkę? Moim zdaniem nie a nawet na pewno nie, dopoki nie poprawi rzutu z gry i skutecznosci to nie ma zadnych szans. Szybkosc, zbiorki, bloki mimo wszystko poparte faulami to za malo na podstawowego centra w NBA, grajacego ponad 30 minut. Moim zdaniem przy grze srednio wlasnie okolo 30-35 minut, jego statystyka wynioslaby na mecz okolo - 6-8pkt, 8-10zb, 1,5-2bl. o ile nie schodzilby wczesniej na lawke za faule. Moze statystyki nie sa najgorsze ale brak punktow go stawia w trudnej sytuacji, nikomu taki podstawowy center nie jest potrzebny. Takie jest moje zdanie.
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#3245266 - 01/07/2009 06:16
Re: NBA - wiadomości, transfery, komentarze itp. /2/
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inaczej gra sie na maksa przez 10minut, majac w ofensywie do stawiania zaslony albo granie pick&roll z Hedo co i tak bywalo bardzo rzadko
a inaczej jak sie ma 30-35minut i znacznie wiecej zadan zarowno w ofensywie jak i defensywie
duzo zalezy od tego gdzie Gortat pojdzie, Houston z Adelmanem? moze byc ciezko, GSW? byloby super, Biedrins w Suns, Stoudmire w GSW jako PF [teoretyzuje] Turiaf/Wright to zwykli PF.. wiec nikt mu tam pierwszego miejsca nie wezmie, podobnie byloby w Knicks
w gre wchodzi jeszcze Pistons, tu mogloby byc ok;)
Gortat raczej MLE nie dostanie, ale wedlug mnie jest na etapie w ktorym wrecz trzeba sprobowac sie w pierwszej piatce
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#3245892 - 01/07/2009 22:02
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To ja zadam pytanie. Czy wg Was Gortat jest gotowy na pierwszą piątkę? 1. Z jakim zespołem i o co walczącym? 2. Z kim tam miałby grac, bo jest widoczna różnica jak grasz np. z Duncanem a jak grasz z Scolą czy Hayesem.
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#3245997 - 01/07/2009 22:30
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Głównie chodziło mi o Houston, w perspektywie odejścia (zakończenia kariery?) przez Yao, a także T-Maca i Artesta. Drużyna w przebudowie, młoda, gra opiera się na Scoli. Ja osobiście uważam, że to idealna sytuacja dla niego. Jak już zacznie grać w takiej drużynie, w pierwszej piątce to powinien osiągnąć poziom, wyniki i renomę przynajmniej takiego Mutombo. Być może podchodzę do tego zbyt optymistycznie, dlatego chciałem poznać Wasze zdanie. Jak pójdzie do San Antonio, to max Dampier z niego będzie, co i tak będzie dobrze  Nie wiem czemu, ale wydaje mi się, że przy Duncanie zostałby zepchnięty do marginalnej roli.
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#3246129 - 01/07/2009 23:00
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Moim zdaniem jesli jest mowa konkretnie o Houston, ktora przechodzi czy przejdzie gruntowna przebudowe i odmlodzenie skladu to na pewno nie ma szans aby Gortat urosl do rangi "sredniej" gwiazdy, z prostej przyczyny otoz moim zdaniem lepiej i latwiej jest sie "wypromowac" z dobrej druzyny z gwiazdami ( Magic ) niz z slabej i mlodej nie majac przy tym wielkiego talentu ( Houston po przebudowie, bilans 20-62 next sezon, i za rok kolejna szybka przebudowa druzyny dzieki zaoszczedzonej kasie w sezonie 2009  i moze zabraknie miejsca dla Marcina, nawet na lawce, pojdzie w zapomnienie lub powroci do Europy ), nie ukrywajmy tego, Gortat nie ma "papierow" na gwiazde, nawet nie ma mentalnosci na gwiazde, choc to dziwne u Polaka, przeciez tak lubimy "gwiazdorzyc", jest po prostu "burza" medialna wokol Marcina bo gra w NBA, a jak juz sie gra w NBA to trzeba byc gwiazda, bzdura totalna, mamy przyklady z PLK, ze byli gracze z NBA, jacy czasami sa slabi na tle polskiej ligi. Na koniec moj wniosek - Gortat musi grac w dobrej druzynie, nawet kosztem minut i kasy. 
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#3246279 - 02/07/2009 00:21
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#3247232 - 02/07/2009 13:58
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kto ciekawy na rynku: POINT GUARDS
In the Market: Portland, New York, L.A. Lakers
1. Jason Kidd, Dallas Age: 36 Key stats: 9.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 8.7 apg The buzz: Even at 36, Kidd has value and is probably worth a two-year deal for the mid-level exception. He's slowed down a bit, but has improved his shooting and still has the best court-vision in the league. The Mavs would like to keep him, but he'll have a better shot at a title somewhere else.
2. Andre Miller, Philadelphia Age: 33 Key stats: 16.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.5 apg The buzz: If Kidd stays in Dallas, Miller becomes the top target for a team like Portland, which needs a veteran floor leader.
3. Mike Bibby, Atlanta Age: 31 Key stats: 14.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.0 apg The buzz: The Hawks drafted Jeff Teague with the idea that Bibby could walk, but it's not clear where he would be a better fit. He's a better shooter than Miller and could replace him in Philly (where they need better shooting) on a short-term deal.
4. Raymond Felton, Charlotte (Restricted) Age: 25 Key stats: 14.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.7 apg The buzz: Felton has said he wants to stay in Charlotte and Michael Jordan says he doesn't see "any situation where he's not with us."
5. Ramon Sessions, Milwaukee (Restricted) Age: 23 Key stats: 12.4 ppg, 3.4 apg, 5.7 rpg The buzz: Sessions, who received a qualifying offer on June 29 from the Bucks, put up impressive numbers as a part-time starter. With the Bucks not extending Charlie Villanueva a qualifying offer, they may be ready to give their young point guard the full-time gig.
The Next Five: Jarrett Jack (Pacers - R), Nate Robinson (Knicks -- R), Stephon Marbury (Celtics), Ronnie Price (Jazz), C.J. Watson (Warriors -- R) SHOOTING GUARDS
In the Market: Oklahoma City, Toronto, Denver, Dallas, Chicago
1. Ben Gordon, Chicago Age: 26 Key stats: 20.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.4 apg The buzz: Gordon may be the only player to have increased his value by shooting 39 percent in a playoff series. He's clutch and can score in bunches, but doesn't do much else.
2. Allen Iverson, Detroit Age: 34 Key stats: 17.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 5.0 apg The buzz: Iverson is one of the greatest scorers in NBA history, but is he willing to come off the bench? It's hard to find a good fit after seeing how his stint in Detroit completely backfired.
3. Anthony Parker, Toronto Age: 34 Key stats: 10.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.4 apg The buzz: A solid-but-not-spectacular player on both ends of the floor, Parker would be an ideal sixth man for a playoff team.
4. Dahntay Jones, Denver Age: 28 Key stats: 5.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.0 apg The buzz: For the team in need of a defensive specialist.
5. Marquis Daniels, Indiana Age: 28 Key stats: 13.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.1 apg The buzz: Daniels has been under the radar for a while, but he can provide instant offense coming off the bench and is pretty versatile at 6-6.
The Next Five: Rashad McCants (Kings -- R), Eddie House (Celtics -- PO), Shannon Brown (Lakers), Luther Head (Heat), Von Wafer (Rockets) SMALL FORWARDS
In the market: Toronto, Phoenix, Dallas
1. Ron Artest, Houston Age: 29 Key stats: 17.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.3 apg The buzz: If Yao Ming's questionable health status takes away Houston's hope of contending this season, the Rockets may be more willing to let Artest walk and start fresh.
2. Hedo Turkoglu, Orlando (Early Termination Option) Age: 30 Key stats: 16.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.9 apg The buzz: The Blazers could use another playmaker, as well as some experience. Appropriately, they're expected to make a bid for Turkoglu.
3. Trevor Ariza, L.A. Lakers Age: 24 Key stats: 8.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 apg The buzz: The price of a championship is paying to keep your roster in tact. And by coming up big in the postseason, Ariza's price went way up.
4. Marvin Williams, Atlanta (Restricted) Age: 23 Key stats: 13.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.3 apg The buzz: Speculation is that Williams will accept a one-year qualifying offer from the Hawks and become an unrestricted free agent next summer.
5. Linas Kleiza, Denver (Restricted) Age: 24 Key stats: 9.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.8 apg The buzz: Kleiza is a versatile scorer who played well in the conference finals against the Lakers. Keeping him is key if the Nuggets intend to get back there.
The Next Five: Matt Barnes (Suns), Grant Hill (Suns), Rodney Carney (Timberwolves), Jamario Moon (Heat -- R), Steve Novak (Clippers -- R) POWER FORWARDS
In the Market: Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando, San Antonio, Houston
1. Lamar Odom, L.A. Lakers Age: 29 Key stats: 11.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.6 apg The buzz: We'll see if the Lakers are willing to spend on both Ariza and Odom. If they have to choose between the two, Odom's more likely to stay in L.A.
2. Paul Millsap, Utah (Restricted) Age: 24 Key stats: 13.5 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.8 apg The buzz: With Boozer back for another year, the Jazz may not be able to hold onto Millsap. The Pistons may be calling.
3. Charlie Villanueva, Milwaukee Age: 25 Key stats: 16.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.8 apg The buzz: Villanueva didn't get a qualifying offer from the Bucks, so teams don't have to worry about them matching whatever deal he signs. Cleveland looks like a good fit, especially if Anderson Varejao leaves.
4. David Lee, New York (Restricted) Age: 26 Key stats: 16.0 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 2.1 apg The buzz: To keep Lee, the Knicks will have to eat into their 2010 cap space. So if another team is willing to pay him close to $10 million a year, they may not match.
5. Shawn Marion, Toronto Age: 31 Key stats: 12.9 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.0 apg The buzz: Offensively, Marion's not the same as he was playing with Steve Nash, but he's still one of the best defenders in the league, able to guard multiple positions.
The Next Five: Anderson Varejao (Cavaliers -- PO), Glen Davis (Celtics -- R), Antonio McDyess (Pistons), Brandon Bass (Mavericks), Channing Frye (Blazers -- R) CENTERS
In the Market: Detroit, Orlando, San Antonio, Boston, Houston, Dallas
1. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit Age: 35 Key stats: 12.0 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.3 bpg The buzz: Wallace can still get a good team over the hump, as long as their locker room is in order.
2. Marcin Gortat, Orlando (Restricted) Age: 25 Key stats: 3.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.7 bpg The buzz: With Tony Battie gone, the Magic can't afford to let the young-and-improving Gortat go.
3. Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Age: 25 Key stats: 6.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.4 apg The buzz: He's solid, relatively young and could be a good addition for a playoff team's frontcourt depth.
4. Chris Andersen, Denver Age: 31 Key stats: 6.4 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 2.5 bpg The buzz: Andersen's energy and shot-blocking made an impact in the postseason. A lot of teams could use a shot-blocker off the bench, but he is on the wrong side of 30.
5. Ryan Hollins, Dallas (Restricted) Age: 24 Key stats: 3.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.7 bpg The buzz: Hollins is athletic, but it's slim pickings once you get to this point on the list.
The Next Five: Johan Petro (Nuggets-- R), Aaron Gray (Bulls-- R), Rasho Nesterovic (Pacers), Mikki Moore (Celtics), Theo Ratliff (76ers)
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